Trainer Details

Simon West

67 Runs 6 Wins (9.0%) 14 Places (20.9%)

(Top 10) Jockeys for Simon West

Jockey	Runs	Wins	Places	Win%
Aiden Brookes	31	6	9	19.4%
Andrew Elliott	10	0	3	0.0%
Miss Rebecca Hitchen	1	0	0	0.0%
Bruce Lynn	12	0	1	0.0%
Archie Young	1	0	0	0.0%
Conor O'Farrell	1	0	0	0.0%
Zoe Lewis	2	0	0	0.0%
Rhys Elliott	6	0	1	0.0%
Callum Pritchard	1	0	0	0.0%
Tom Eaves	1	0	0	0.0%

Owners with Simon West

Owner	Horses
Mrs C A Arnold	2
Richard C Pearson	2
Paul Bryan	1
Hothersall West	1
Allan Davies	1
C R Hirst	1

Simon West's Yard (9 Horses) (Last 12 months)

Horse	R	W	P	Last Run
Vixey (GB) 5 M	15	4	7	26/11/25
Perfect Arch (IRE) 8 G	5	-	-	24/11/25
Masham Moor (GB) 8 G	10	1	2	20/11/25
Spooky Wooky (IRE) 3 G	6	-	2	05/11/25
Sugarpiehoneybunch (IRE) 7 M	5	1	-	28/10/25
Fabuleux Du Clos (FR) 10 G	8	-	1	06/10/25
Jysuis (FR) 6 G	7	-	-	19/07/25
Hijo De La Luna (GER) 4 G	6	-	2	20/06/25
Likleman (GB) 3 G	5	-	-	25/02/25

Recent Runs - Last 12 Months (Showing 67)

Date/Time	Course	Distance	Horse	Jockey	Position	Beaten By	Weight	SP	Comment
26/11/25 17:10	Chelmsford (AW)	7f	Vixey (GB)	Aiden Brookes	5	1.75	9-5	14/1	Taken down early - took keen hold - prominent early - led after 2f - headed over 1f out - weakened inside final furlong(op 9/1) Taken down early - took keen hold - prominent early - led after 2f - headed over 1f out - weakened inside final furlong(op 9/1)
24/11/25 15:25	Newcastle (AW)	1m4½f	Perfect Arch (IRE)	Aiden Brookes	7	1.25	8-11	50/1	Raced wide early - prominent - led but pestered after 2f - headed over 2f out - weakened over 1f out(op 66/1) Raced wide early - prominent - led but pestered after 2f - headed over 2f out - weakened over 1f out(op 66/1)
20/11/25 17:30	Southwell (AW)	1m	Masham Moor (GB)	Aiden Brookes	9	4.75	8-6	12/1	Always behind(tchd 11/1) Always behind(tchd 11/1)
05/11/25 16:03	Musselburgh	2m	Spooky Wooky (IRE)	Andrew Elliott	6	5.5	9-10	5/2F	(tchd 11/4) (tchd 11/4)
01/11/25 16:00	Newmarket	7f	Vixey (GB)	Aiden Brookes	3rd	2.25	9-9	3/1F	(op 9/2) (op 9/2)
28/10/25 13:20	Leicester	1m4f	Sugarpiehoneybunch (IRE)	Miss Rebecca Hitchen	7	0.3	10-1	14/1	Dwelt start - in rear(op 10/1 tchd 9/1) Dwelt start - in rear(op 10/1 tchd 9/1)
24/10/25 19:30	Southwell (AW)	1m	Masham Moor (GB)	Andrew Elliott	4	0.2	9-4	33/1	In rear - headway from 2f out - kept on but no impression inside final furlong(op 25/1) In rear - headway from 2f out - kept on but no impression inside final furlong(op 25/1)
14/10/25 15:21	Market Rasen	2m7f	Perfect Arch (IRE)	Bruce Lynn	6	2.25	10-10	11/1	Led - headed after 2nd - pressed leader before 2 out - not fluent 2 out - soon weakened(op 10/1 tchd 9/1) Led - headed after 2nd - pressed leader before 2 out - not fluent 2 out - soon weakened(op 10/1 tchd 9/1)
13/10/25 15:22	Musselburgh	2m	Spooky Wooky (IRE)	Andrew Elliott	3rd	1.75	9-3	13/2	(op 8/1 tchd 6/1) (op 8/1 tchd 6/1)
10/10/25 17:00	York	7f	Vixey (GB)	Aiden Brookes	3rd	0.3	9-9	10/1	Took keen hold - prominent - lost position over 2f out - rallied from over 1f out - no extra final 110yds(tchd 9/1 and tchd 11/1) Took keen hold - prominent - lost position over 2f out - rallied from over 1f out - no extra final 110yds(tchd 9/1 and tchd 11/1)
06/10/25 16:50	Pontefract	2m2f	Fabuleux Du Clos (FR)	Andrew Elliott	4	5	8-11	9/4	In touch with leaders - cajoled along early - headway and went second after 2f - pressed leader 5f out - lost position over 2f out - hung left and weakened over 1f out(op 10/3 tchd 2/1 and tchd 7/2) In touch with leaders - cajoled along early - headway and went second after 2f - pressed leader 5f out - lost position over 2f out - hung left and weakened over 1f out(op 10/3 tchd 2/1 and tchd 7/2)
01/10/25 15:43	Catterick	2m	Fabuleux Du Clos (FR)	Andrew Elliott	2nd	1.5	9-9	8/1	Prominent - outpaced 3f out - switched to near side over 2f out - rallied over 1f out - went second final 110yds - kept on(op 11/1) Prominent - outpaced 3f out - switched to near side over 2f out - rallied over 1f out - went second final 110yds - kept on(op 11/1)
01/10/25 15:43	Catterick	2m	Sugarpiehoneybunch (IRE)	Archie Young	7	2	8-13	16/1	Held up in rear - some headway when switched to near side over 2f out - weakened over 1f out(op 11/1 tchd 10/1) Held up in rear - some headway when switched to near side over 2f out - weakened over 1f out(op 11/1 tchd 10/1)
30/09/25 17:05	Ayr	1m7f	Spooky Wooky (IRE)	Andrew Elliott	2nd	3	9-7	50/1	Dwelt start - led - headed 2f out - soon lost second - rallied and went second again inside final 110yds(op 40/1) Dwelt start - led - headed 2f out - soon lost second - rallied and went second again inside final 110yds(op 40/1)
25/09/25 17:23	Perth	2m4f	Perfect Arch (IRE)	Conor O'Farrell	4	3.5	10-9	33/1	Led - soon joined and disputed lead - lost position but prominent after 1st - weakened gradually from 2 out(op 25/1) Led - soon joined and disputed lead - lost position but prominent after 1st - weakened gradually from 2 out(op 25/1)
15/09/25 14:20	Thirsk	1m4f	Sugarpiehoneybunch (IRE)	Aiden Brookes	5	2.75	9-12	100/30	In rear - pushed along over 5f out - never on terms(op 7/2) In rear - pushed along over 5f out - never on terms(op 7/2)
12/09/25 15:17	Chester	7f	Vixey (GB)	Aiden Brookes	1st	Won	9-6	7/4F	In touch with leaders - headway over 2f out - ridden over 1f out - led inside final 110yds - kept on(op 15/8 tchd 13/8) In touch with leaders - headway over 2f out - ridden over 1f out - led inside final 110yds - kept on(op 15/8 tchd 13/8)
09/09/25 18:15	Carlisle	1m3f	Fabuleux Du Clos (FR)	Andrew Elliott	4	1.75	10-0	100/1	Dwelt start - soon in touch with leaders - outpaced over 4f out - rallied and went fourth over 1f out - no extra inside final 110yds Dwelt start - soon in touch with leaders - outpaced over 4f out - rallied and went fourth over 1f out - no extra inside final 110yds
02/09/25 18:00	Southwell (AW)	1m3f	Spooky Wooky (IRE)	Andrew Elliott	7	2	9-4	125/1	Dwelt start - towards rear - some headway from over 1f out(op 80/1) Dwelt start - towards rear - some headway from over 1f out(op 80/1)
01/08/25 14:50	Southwell (AW)	1m3f	Spooky Wooky (IRE)	Andrew Elliott	4	5.5	9-7	200/1	Disputed lead - prominent after 2f - went second after 5f - weakened from over 2f out(op 100/1) Disputed lead - prominent after 2f - went second after 5f - weakened from over 2f out(op 100/1)
26/07/25 14:45	Chester	7½f	Vixey (GB)	Aiden Brookes	2nd	1.5	9-7	9/2	In touch with leaders - not clear run repeatedly from 2f out - in the clear and ran on well inside final furlong - went second final strides - eyecatcher (jockey said mare was denied a clear run approximately 1 1/2f out) In touch with leaders - not clear run repeatedly from 2f out - in the clear and ran on well inside final furlong - went second final strides - eyecatcher (jockey said mare was denied a clear run approximately 1 1/2f out)
19/07/25 13:40	Cartmel	2m6f	Jysuis (FR)	Bruce Lynn	99	-	11-0	100/1	Led - headed 3 out - weakened quickly before 2 out - soon pulled up(op 66/1 tchd 125/1) Led - headed 3 out - weakened quickly before 2 out - soon pulled up(op 66/1 tchd 125/1)
17/07/25 16:55	Hamilton	1m5f	Sugarpiehoneybunch (IRE)	Aiden Brookes	4	-	8-11	18/1	Towards rear but in touch with leaders - headway on outer over 3f out - hung right from over 1f out - went fourth inside final 110yds - kept on(op 9/1) Towards rear but in touch with leaders - headway on outer over 3f out - hung right from over 1f out - went fourth inside final 110yds - kept on(op 9/1)
05/07/25 17:37	Carlisle	2m1f	Fabuleux Du Clos (FR)	Zoe Lewis	7	-	9-3	40/1	Dwelt start - held up in rear - outpaced over 3f out - no chance when kept on final furlong(tchd 66/1) Dwelt start - held up in rear - outpaced over 3f out - no chance when kept on final furlong(tchd 66/1)
21/06/25 18:00	Haydock	1m4f	Spooky Wooky (IRE)	Andrew Elliott	5	-	9-3	28/1	Took keen hold - prominent on inner - weakened 3f out - tailed off(tchd 33/1) Took keen hold - prominent on inner - weakened 3f out - tailed off(tchd 33/1)
20/06/25 17:05	Market Rasen	2m4½f	Hijo De La Luna (GER)	Bruce Lynn	PU	-	11-11	40/1	Raced in second - weakened quickly after 3 out - pulled up before 2 out(tchd 50/1) Raced in second - weakened quickly after 3 out - pulled up before 2 out(tchd 50/1)
14/06/25 17:58	Hexham	2m	Jysuis (FR)	Bruce Lynn	9	17	11-2	25/1	Didn't jump with fluency - always behind(op 33/1 tchd 40/1) Didn't jump with fluency - always behind(op 33/1 tchd 40/1)
13/06/25 16:35	Chester	7½f	Vixey (GB)	Aiden Brookes	1st	Won	9-2	15/8F	Took keen hold - in touch with leaders - headway over 1f out - led inside final furlong - soon clear - readily(op 9/4 tchd 13/8) Took keen hold - in touch with leaders - headway over 1f out - led inside final furlong - soon clear - readily(op 9/4 tchd 13/8)
10/06/25 16:45	Wolverhampton (AW)	1m1½f	Hijo De La Luna (GER)	Rhys Elliott	8	1.75	9-4	4/1	Took keen hold - towards rear - always behind (jockey said gelding was never travelling)(op 7/2) Took keen hold - towards rear - always behind (jockey said gelding was never travelling)(op 7/2)
05/06/25 17:17	Hamilton	1m4f	Sugarpiehoneybunch (IRE)	Aiden Brookes	1st	Won	8-11	28/1	Towards rear - headway from over 3f out - switched left over 2f out - led inside final furlong - went clear towards finish - comfortably(op 22/1) Towards rear - headway from over 3f out - switched left over 2f out - led inside final furlong - went clear towards finish - comfortably(op 22/1)
27/05/25 18:42	Wolverhampton (AW)	1m½f	Fabuleux Du Clos (FR)	Zoe Lewis	12	.5	9-9	300/1	Towards rear throughout(op 200/1) Towards rear throughout(op 200/1)
19/05/25 17:00	Carlisle	1m	Vixey (GB)	Aiden Brookes	2nd	1.25	8-4	4/1	In touch with leaders - headway from under 2f out - hung right when pressed leader inside final furlong - went second inside final 110yds - kept on(tchd 9/2) In touch with leaders - headway from under 2f out - hung right when pressed leader inside final furlong - went second inside final 110yds - kept on(tchd 9/2)
13/05/25 17:05	Worcester	2m4f	Jysuis (FR)	Bruce Lynn	99	-	10-9	16/1	Took keen hold - led - soon clear - 19 lengths ahead when not fluent 3rd - much reduced lead 5th - headed 6th - weakened 4 out - soon lost touch - pulled up 3 out(op 28/1 and tchd 33/1) Took keen hold - led - soon clear - 19 lengths ahead when not fluent 3rd - much reduced lead 5th - headed 6th - weakened 4 out - soon lost touch - pulled up 3 out(op 28/1 and tchd 33/1)
12/05/25 16:05	Southwell	2m	Hijo De La Luna (GER)	Bruce Lynn	3rd	1	11-4	20/1	Took keen hold - towards rear - headway 6th - pressed leader when awkward jump 2 out - outpaced last - lost second towards finish(op 12/1 tchd 22/1) Took keen hold - towards rear - headway 6th - pressed leader when awkward jump 2 out - outpaced last - lost second towards finish(op 12/1 tchd 22/1)
05/05/25 16:05	Beverley	7½f	Vixey (GB)	Aiden Brookes	1st	Won	9-0	3/1	In touch with leaders - headway over 2f out - ridden to lead inside final furlong - soon drifted right - kept on well(op 11/2) In touch with leaders - headway over 2f out - ridden to lead inside final furlong - soon drifted right - kept on well(op 11/2)
30/04/25 19:10	Southwell (AW)	1m	Masham Moor (GB)	Aiden Brookes	8	-	9-2	10/1	Midfield - some headway over 2f out - weakened from over 1f out(op 11/1) Midfield - some headway over 2f out - weakened from over 1f out(op 11/1)
30/04/25 17:40	Southwell (AW)	1m4f	Fabuleux Du Clos (FR)	Rhys Elliott	9	1.25	9-11	300/1	Slowly away - in rear - outpaced early - no telling impression(op 150/1) Slowly away - in rear - outpaced early - no telling impression(op 150/1)
03/04/25 17:25	Chelmsford (AW)	1m2f	Hijo De La Luna (GER)	Rhys Elliott	6	1.25	8-12	4/1J	In rear - switched right and headway from over 1f out - kept on inside final furlong - not pace to challenge(tchd 7/2 and tchd 9/2) In rear - switched right and headway from over 1f out - kept on inside final furlong - not pace to challenge(tchd 7/2 and tchd 9/2)
03/04/25 16:27	Sedgefield	3m3f	Fabuleux Du Clos (FR)	Bruce Lynn	5	3.75	12-0	8/1	Towards rear - not fluent 8th - headway after 3 out - weakened before 2 out(op 17/2 tchd 7/1 and 9/1) Towards rear - not fluent 8th - headway after 3 out - weakened before 2 out(op 17/2 tchd 7/1 and 9/1)
28/03/25 19:15	Southwell (AW)	1m	Vixey (GB)	Aiden Brookes	3rd	1	9-4	7/1	Took keen hold - towards rear on inner - going easily when short of room and switched left over 2f out - headway over 1f out - no extra final 110yds Took keen hold - towards rear on inner - going easily when short of room and switched left over 2f out - headway over 1f out - no extra final 110yds
28/03/25 18:45	Southwell (AW)	1m	Masham Moor (GB)	Aiden Brookes	7	-	8-3	6/1	Towards rear throughout(op 7/1) Towards rear throughout(op 7/1)
25/03/25 18:15	Newcastle (AW)	1m4½f	Fabuleux Du Clos (FR)	Rhys Elliott	6	3.5	8-12	80/1	Slowly away - in rear - pushed along over 3f out - weakened from over 1f out (jockey said gelding was slowly away)(op 100/1) Slowly away - in rear - pushed along over 3f out - weakened from over 1f out (jockey said gelding was slowly away)(op 100/1)
25/03/25 18:15	Newcastle (AW)	1m4½f	Jysuis (FR)	Aiden Brookes	7	5.5	9-2	200/1	Took keen hold - led - headed and weakened from over 3f out Took keen hold - led - headed and weakened from over 3f out
25/03/25 16:43	Newcastle (AW)	1m2f	Hijo De La Luna (GER)	Rhys Elliott	2nd	-	8-5	6/1	In touch with leaders - headway to lead over 1f out - headed but kept on inside final 110yds(op 13/2 tchd 11/2) In touch with leaders - headway to lead over 1f out - headed but kept on inside final 110yds(op 13/2 tchd 11/2)
20/03/25 14:35	Sedgefield	2m4f	Jysuis (FR)	Bruce Lynn	4	11	10-13	18/1	Prominent - lost ground quickly home turn - lost third 2 out - hung right and weakened approaching last - tailed off(tchd 12/1) Prominent - lost ground quickly home turn - lost third 2 out - hung right and weakened approaching last - tailed off(tchd 12/1)
12/03/25 17:45	Newcastle (AW)	7f	Vixey (GB)	Aiden Brookes	2nd	-	8-12	6/1	Prominent - took keen hold - pressed leader over 2f out - pushed along to lead over 1f out - ridden and headed inside final furlong - kept on - no match for winner(op 17/2) Prominent - took keen hold - pressed leader over 2f out - pushed along to lead over 1f out - ridden and headed inside final furlong - kept on - no match for winner(op 17/2)
04/03/25 19:30	Southwell (AW)	1m3f	Jysuis (FR)	Aiden Brookes	8	-	9-1	300/1	Took keen hold - in touch with leaders - prominent after 4f - weakened from over 2f out(op 200/1 tchd 400/1) Took keen hold - in touch with leaders - prominent after 4f - weakened from over 2f out(op 200/1 tchd 400/1)
04/03/25 17:30	Southwell (AW)	1m	Masham Moor (GB)	Aiden Brookes	1st	Won	9-6	9/1	Held up in rear - headway over 2f out - pushed along when pressed leaders over 1f out - led narrowly inside final 110yds - just did enough(tchd 17/2 and tchd 10/1) Held up in rear - headway over 2f out - pushed along when pressed leaders over 1f out - led narrowly inside final 110yds - just did enough(tchd 17/2 and tchd 10/1)
01/03/25 19:30	Southwell (AW)	7f	Vixey (GB)	Aiden Brookes	1st	Won	9-6	9/1	In rear - headway from over 2f out - switched left over 1f out - ran on well inside final furlong - led final strides(op 15/2 tchd 7/1) In rear - headway from over 2f out - switched left over 1f out - ran on well inside final furlong - led final strides(op 15/2 tchd 7/1)
27/02/25 13:35	Newcastle (AW)	1m4½f	Hijo De La Luna (GER)	Rhys Elliott	5	-	8-11	9/2	Prominent - lost position gradually from 2f out - weakened towards finish(op 17/2) Prominent - lost position gradually from 2f out - weakened towards finish(op 17/2)
25/02/25 15:30	Catterick	1m7½f	Likleman (GB)	Bruce Lynn	7	2	10-9	100/1	Pulled hard - always behind(tchd 125/1) Pulled hard - always behind(tchd 125/1)
21/02/25 16:45	Southwell (AW)	1m4f	Jysuis (FR)	Aiden Brookes	7	2.75	9-3	125/1	Pressed leader - raced in third after 1f - lost third over 4f out - weakened over 3f out(op 150/1) Pressed leader - raced in third after 1f - lost third over 4f out - weakened over 3f out(op 150/1)
14/02/25 14:00	Southwell (AW)	7f	Vixey (GB)	Aiden Brookes	3rd	-	9-6	6/1	Took keen hold - held up in rear - headway towards near side over 1f out - ran on inside final furlong(op 13/2 tchd 11/2) Took keen hold - held up in rear - headway towards near side over 1f out - ran on inside final furlong(op 13/2 tchd 11/2)
12/02/25 16:48	Wetherby	2m3½f	Perfect Arch (IRE)	Callum Pritchard	4	4.5	10-12	11/1	Prominent - outpaced before 3 out - kept on approaching last - no impression run-in(op 14/1) Prominent - outpaced before 3 out - kept on approaching last - no impression run-in(op 14/1)
12/02/25 15:05	Wetherby	2m	Likleman (GB)	Bruce Lynn	4	7	11-0	50/1	Pulled hard - held up in last - hit 5th - not fluent 6th - carried head high approaching last - stayed on run-in - went remote fourth final strides(tchd 40/1) Pulled hard - held up in last - hit 5th - not fluent 6th - carried head high approaching last - stayed on run-in - went remote fourth final strides(tchd 40/1)
07/02/25 20:15	Southwell (AW)	1m	Masham Moor (GB)	Aiden Brookes	2nd	2	8-11	22/1	Slowly into stride - held up in rear - not clear run over 2f out - headway and went third 1f out - kept on and went second post - no match for winner(op 20/1 tchd 18/1) Slowly into stride - held up in rear - not clear run over 2f out - headway and went third 1f out - kept on and went second post - no match for winner(op 20/1 tchd 18/1)
06/02/25 20:30	Southwell (AW)	7f	Vixey (GB)	Aiden Brookes	4	1.25	9-4	25/1	Took keen hold - midfield - headway and pressed leaders over 1f out - edged left and no extra inside final furlong(op 28/1 tchd 18/1) Took keen hold - midfield - headway and pressed leaders over 1f out - edged left and no extra inside final furlong(op 28/1 tchd 18/1)
31/01/25 14:05	Catterick	1m7½f	Likleman (GB)	Bruce Lynn	6	12	10-12	200/1	Pulled hard - towards rear - headway and went second 2nd - led 3rd - idled and headed before 4th - weakened before 2 out(op 100/1) Pulled hard - towards rear - headway and went second 2nd - led 3rd - idled and headed before 4th - weakened before 2 out(op 100/1)
25/01/25 18:05	Newcastle (AW)	1m	Masham Moor (GB)	Aiden Brookes	4	.5	8-11	16/1	Held up in last - headway on near side of group 3f out - pressed leaders against near rail 2f out - no extra from over 1f out(op 25/1) Held up in last - headway on near side of group 3f out - pressed leaders against near rail 2f out - no extra from over 1f out(op 25/1)
23/01/25 18:00	Southwell (AW)	7f	Vixey (GB)	Aiden Brookes	4	0.3	9-6	33/1	Took keen hold - in touch with leaders - weakened from over 1f out Took keen hold - in touch with leaders - weakened from over 1f out
17/01/25 20:30	Southwell (AW)	1m	Masham Moor (GB)	Aiden Brookes	9	4.25	9-6	9/2	Took keen hold - midfield - weakened from over 1f out(op 5/1 tchd 4/1) Took keen hold - midfield - weakened from over 1f out(op 5/1 tchd 4/1)
02/01/25 17:40	Newcastle (AW)	1m	Likleman (GB)	Aiden Brookes	9	-	9-6	16/1	Led narrowly - headed over 2f out - weakened over 1f out(op 25/1) Led narrowly - headed over 2f out - weakened over 1f out(op 25/1)
28/12/24 19:00	Newcastle (AW)	7f	Vixey (GB)	Aiden Brookes	8	0	9-6	28/1	Midfield - short of room and lost position over 1f out(op 22/1) Midfield - short of room and lost position over 1f out(op 22/1)
20/12/24 11:30	Southwell (AW)	1m	Masham Moor (GB)	Aiden Brookes	3rd	-	9-1	8/1	Towards rear - steady headway over 2f out - short of room over 1f out - soon slightly hampered - disputing third inside final 110yds - kept on(op 14/1) Towards rear - steady headway over 2f out - short of room over 1f out - soon slightly hampered - disputing third inside final 110yds - kept on(op 14/1)
15/12/24 13:00	Carlisle	2m3½f	Perfect Arch (IRE)	Bruce Lynn	6	8	11-1	16/1	Led at steady pace - headed and lost position before 2 out - weakened quickly before last(tchd 20/1) Led at steady pace - headed and lost position before 2 out - weakened quickly before last(tchd 20/1)
09/12/24 18:30	Newcastle (AW)	1m	Masham Moor (GB)	Tom Eaves	5	1.5	9-1	66/1	Prominent - lost second over 2f out - weakened from over 1f out(op 50/1 tchd 40/1) Prominent - lost second over 2f out - weakened from over 1f out(op 50/1 tchd 40/1)
09/12/24 18:30	Newcastle (AW)	1m	Likleman (GB)	James Sullivan	8	1.5	9-1	22/1	Pulled hard - in touch with leaders - lost position over 3f out - weakened quickly from over 1f out(op 28/1 tchd 33/1) Pulled hard - in touch with leaders - lost position over 3f out - weakened quickly from over 1f out(op 28/1 tchd 33/1)